Enough.
I'd rather not lock this thread. Let all of this serve as a call to respect other's both in real life on the road and on this forum.

As for my comment of on the death post. It pertained to that rider. When you ride like that you have a death wish. Whether that wish comes true for you or someone around you as a result of your actions, or both. If you wish it, you deserve it. So if he died in the accident, he had it coming. He can't cheat death forever. Even if he did die, why should anyone feel bad? Yes he may have family and loved ones that would go through hard times. But he made that call. He then would have died due to his own doing. If he lived, I'm not saying unleash the death penalty in court on him for it all, as he was the only one injured. At least with this incident it involved him being hurt and no innocent people got taken down with him....this time. 

Maybe some of you would feel differently if you had more of a personal experience. Maybe you wouldn't. But let's say a drunk driver took out one of your family members. He goes to jail but gets let out only after 7 months. YOU'D THINK that the thought of taking someone's life weighing on his mind would be enough to smarten him up and be punishment enough along with his jail time. But then he gets a DUI with no license and goes back to jail. He has no remorse. Deserves to die! Is the justice system fair and right?

So back to my pondering earlier. Where are these riders now in their thoughts? Do they still think it's cool? Have they smartened up and realized the error of their ways? Hopefully we don't find out any worse in another video that includes anyone else getting hurt or worse. 

Thanks Spank for putting into words what I meant to express with this post.
You said it all, and that's the end of the discussion for me here regarding this issue,
cheers,
Abel

Yes, everyone has a right to their opinion. 

When people's life and well being are threatened by some a-hole, it can tend to bring out the worst in someone. These riders had no regard for anyone around them and if their actions created any ill doing to anyone else. So if they don't care about any of them why should we care what happens to them if they get hurt, or died? They could have caused injury and/or death to someone by creating a bigger accident than what happened. Then you have innocent people and and their loved ones in hardship from a hand dealt by these aresholes.
 
And in your reference to your friend with the vtec Mini there Spank, I wouldn't say I'd be one of the ones to throw the punch unless needing to defend...or maybe if things got heated enough. But I'd have some words with him for sure to start and see what happened from there. Some will take it upon themselves to deal with, while others may opt to just call the cops instead. Do whatever you feel is good for you. Hopefully your friend considers more than stopping at the gas station for a drink, as the 'mistake'. Pretty dumb and careless to do what he did for sure.

Depending on the situation. If I was there and there was a great risk of my life or others that I loved at stake and risk due to him doing that, damn right things may have gotten heated upon a meeting with him. It would also depend on how receiving he would be to the criticism of his actions. If he didn't feel like what he did was wrong and defended and justified it and had the nerve to carry on, I don't see why a black eye would be that big of a deal for him to walk away with. If you'd rather call the cops, that's your entitled action and opinion of what the right course of action would be. Not everyone has to abide by that opinion, ruling, or way of  action. I'm not saying that I'm ready to beat the crap out of everyone that even so much as farts in my direction. But again, when someone threatens my life, health and safety or of those around that I love, game on. And if that individual suffers even at their own mistake (like that one rider) I won't feel bad for them. 

I have enough stories to share of personal experiences that involved careless acts on the road and off, caused by someone else. Can't say that calling the cops would make me feel better and make it alright. Violence isn't necessarily the answer either. Some people don't want to learn either way. Would be interested to see what thoughts those riders had towards their actions. Do they still think they're cool now? 

Hard to feel sorry for dumbasses that get hurt while potentially hurting those around them. 

Most people seem to be taking umbrage at the "deserve to die" statement.
Yes, the rider was being an absolute idiot, but in a world where most countries eschew the death penalty, being an idiot is far down the priority list. You do have the right to your opinion.

ditto...

Why do you say that was too strong of a statement? The the result of stupidity gone wrong. How can you feel compassion or condolences towards idiots like that?
If you haven't already done so, watch the video from the beginning. The link to the clip only shows the Mini part of their escapades. Watch before that as the one rider passes other vehicles within the same lane on a winding road while popping a wheely. Riding the centre line within inches of oncoming cars. Then the whole Ferrari thing was weird. Chases it down just to pass it. Was he trying to egg on a race or just thought it was cool to spin around and and pass it? Totally disregard for the laws, people and property. Could have caused an accident and involved innocent people as a result. Riders like that are just a bunch of power-trippin thrill seekers who think that are totally in control at all times, own the road and that they feel they're above any consequences. So when stuff like that happens, they get what they deserve. How can you feel bad for them? And in the end the one rider DID cause an accident by trying to pass the Mini on a corner while on the shoulder of the road. Oh no, poor moron. Please forgive me while I feel nothing for him. I laughed when I saw that go down. Just hoping the Mini and Mini driver weren't affected physically or legally responsible. You can get out your violins and tissues and feel sorry for him if you want. I'll save my tissues to wipe my tears from laughing so hard. 

Well said, Spank.

From what I'm seeing in the video and the comments, the Mini didn't realize there was a motorcycle attempting to pass him on the right.  He probably looked in the mirror and saw the rider's buddy coming up fast behind him and moved slightly to the right to allow the buddy to pass on the left.  It's considered the correct thing to do in SoCal canyons, since you don't want people passing you on blind turns into oncoming traffic.  Had the moron rider not tried to pass on the shoulder, they could have both passed on the left and continued their romp through the canyons.

As others have already said - that's going a bit too far for this forum.

as a Rider myself, I can tell you this accident was 100% the fault of the rider... not sure what his plan was, but the vast majority of single vehicle accidents involving motorcycles are a result of a rider not properly negotiating the turn.

 

But I wonder why the mini suddenly moved to the right? maybe scared...  Hopefully the rider is OK and learns from their mistake

I'm with Abelclasico on this.

Unfortunately, I am also a recipient to the type of sentiment that Markiss's post demonstrates because I am a person who rides bicycles on public roads. People are very quick to judge "Others" and dehumanize them and call the "Other" a motorcyclist or a biker or a cyclist... At the end of the day, that is a Person who has people who care for them and who has loved ones.

I'm guilty of feeling enraged when I watched that full video and I do find it difficult to sympathize with the motorcyclist who suffered injuries that seemed to be a direct result of his own immediate reckless behavior. But I also have to consciously acknowledge that this is one individual suffering the repercussions of the behavior that immediately proceeded the one incident. I have to tell myself it is not my place to determine that someone DESERVES to be injured, maimed or killed outside of a court of law.

If I have one goal / reason for making this post, it is to ask that people please take a moment when they are out on the road and are feeling that someone else is DESERVING or DESERVED harm or injury (or "needs to be taught a lesson") to acknowledge that that is indeed a human, a person with loved ones, and take no action towards them that you wouldn't responsibly take towards your own mother or loved one.


I have a friend with a VERY visible vtec powered mini who (as he tells the story) took it upon himself to pass over a dozen people while crossing a double yellow line multiple times on a dangerous busy mountain road. He then made the "mistake" (his words) of stopping at a gas station not far past the summit to get something to drink. When he came out of the convenience store, there was an angry mob of people whom he'd just passed while going up the mountain now surrounding his car. As much as I want to say he "deserved" getting punched in the face and the subsequent black eye he received by one of the people in the angry mob, the reality is the only thing he "deserved" was to be reported to the authorities. He also maybe deserves to be reminded not to repeat that behavior and to be told that his behavior reflects negatively on the rest of us mini owners and maybe even prevented from going on club runs for a period of time. But he absolutely did not deserve to be physically assaulted/ harmed or to have death wished upon him.

WOW

that is a bit too strong of a sentiment. I agree the rider is totally reckless but....

Ahole riders like this deserve to die. Hope he's dead. Too many crotch-rocket riders are reckless retards. Think they can do whatever wherever. More balls than brains. Then complain when they get cut-off. No compassion for riders like either of those two. I know everyone speeds, but stunting, racing, and driving without that much care or respect to others will catch up to you eventually. Hope the Mini driver and the Mini are ok though. 

It's what you do when your young. If your good or lucky you get older and wiser.

This was a close call for the Mini https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G83kJF_HaIk&t=227s
I hope the rider was OK....but was a senseless act!!